[Gadren]

QUOTE (Baladria @ Nov 12 2007, 03:56 PM)

And I am wondering when Yeesha would find the time to get knocked up in the middle of all this....

Dramatic action heroes in Hollywood movies seem to find the time, in between saving the world (or blowing it up).

[Loshem]

She's had several months to.. Lets not forget there's an entire civilization of New D'ni living in Releeshahn.. it's entirely probable that she has a lover there.

[Gondar]

It's also possible that if she can really travel in time as everyone and herself seems to believe, and not just via travelling to instances, that she probably was with her old flame Calam, and knowing that he was going to die shortly, she coopted herself and had one last night to remember. And intentionally or not ended up with something else to remember him by for much longer.

So that means that our new goal is to discover the term of a D'ni-Human crossbreed woman.. probably about 9-10 months I'd guess, but could be up to a year. Stupid genetics. Anyways, the reason is that that is how long we have until everything ends and becomes nice and calm.. since the war has to end by the time the daughter is born, right? Or at least shortly after, for her to live in peace. Also gives the bahro an ultimatum if they want to do something and still believe Words..

[Crazyfox]

QUOTE (Gondar @ Nov 14 2007, 03:47 PM)

So that means that our new goal is to discover the term of a D'ni-Human crossbreed woman.. probably about 9-10 months I'd guess, but could be up to a year. Stupid genetics. Anyways, the reason is that that is how long we have until everything ends and becomes nice and calm.. since the war has to end by the time the daughter is born, right? Or at least shortly after, for her to live in peace. Also gives the bahro an ultimatum if they want to do something and still believe Words..

(writing from memory - historians are free to correct me

Actually, Gehn is the D'ni - Human crossbreed. (Aitrus the 1st being full D'ni, Anna being full Human).
Atrus the 2nd was 1/4 D'ni, 1/4 Human, 1/2 Rivenese
Yeesha and her brothers are 1/8 D'ni, 1/8 Human, 3/4 Rivenese

So, a Yeesha/D'ni offspring would be.. *thinks*...
1/16 Human
6/16 Rivenese
9/16 D'ni

Not a lot of Human left in the gene pool - maybe we need to set Yeesha up with a nice boy... any volunteers?

[Owehn]

How does Atrus have any rivenese ancestry at all? Wouldn't it be:

Atrus: 1/4 d'ni, 3/4 human
Yeesha and Brothers: 1/8 d'ni, 3/8 human, 1/2 rivenese
Yeesha+D'ni offspring: 9/16 d'ni, 3/16 human, 1/4 rivenese

[Crazyfox]

Did a bit of reading, and found my error - Gehn's wife is only seen in a picture in Riven, so I assumed that she was Rivenese. According to RAWA, she's human. (Weird, when you think about it - wouldn't have pegged Gehn to deal with hoo-mans.)

So, the progression is
Aitrus (D'ni) marries T'iana (Human), they beget Gehn (1/2 D'ni, 1/2 Human)
Gehn marries Keta (human), and beget Atrus (1/4 D'ni, 3/4 Human)
Atrus marries Catherine (Rivenese) and beget the boys and Yeesha (1/8 D'ni, 3/8 Human, 4/8 Rivenese)
Yeesha and a D'ni would have kids that are 9/16 D'ni, 3/16 Human, and 4/16 Rivenese

*checks his fractions, and nods*

D'ni father, half-Rivenese mother, Rivenese grandmother, human great-grandmother. I'd still call The Child D'ni / Rivenese, myself.

This post has been edited by Crazyfox: 15 November 2007 - 05:20 AM

[Baladria]

QUOTE (Gondar @ Nov 14 2007, 05:47 PM)

It's also possible that if she can really travel in time as everyone and herself seems to believe, and not just via travelling to instances, that she probably was with her old flame Calam, and knowing that he was going to die shortly, she coopted herself and had one last night to remember. And intentionally or not ended up with something else to remember him by for much longer. So that means that our new goal is to discover the term of a D'ni-Human crossbreed woman.. probably about 9-10 months I'd guess, but could be up to a year. Stupid genetics. Anyways, the reason is that that is how long we have until everything ends and becomes nice and calm.. since the war has to end by the time the daughter is born, right? Or at least shortly after, for her to live in peace. Also gives the bahro an ultimatum if they want to do something and still believe Words..

oooh.....I'm telling her dad.................


She's gonna be so grounded!

This post has been edited by Baladria: 15 November 2007 - 01:20 PM

[Storyteller]

I should point out that while all these fractions are nice and pretty, they have absolutely no bearing on anyone's actual genome. They're not a reasonable way to predict anyone's traits.

[Gondar]

As I said, stupid genetics. We don't know what is recessive and what's dominant among human, D'ni, and Riveneese in any regard (well human we're managing now) and certainly not anything to do with a longitevity and gestation.

As noted, Yeesha is a first case we might have to see anything. And unfortunately one case isn't enough to tell anything really except herself, unless we get genetic samples.

Quick, did anyone take a tissue sample when she appeared in K'veer?

[Loshem]

Oh I sooo picked up one of her hairs when she left. You can't have it though... I'm saving it forever in the folds of my Ae'gura book

[Kedri]

You sure that wasn't the hair of one of the dozens of explorers around Yeesha?

[Leonor]

Unless he actually pulled her hair. The lack of respect. Tsk.

I won't be surprised if next time she appears people are not holding signs saying "Yeesha, be my best friend" and "Me, pick me!" and "Marry me, Yeesha" and "The child needs a good father" etc.

[Storyteller]

QUOTE (Gondar @ Nov 15 2007, 05:25 PM)

As noted, Yeesha is a first case we might have to see anything. And unfortunately one case isn't enough to tell anything really except herself, unless we get genetic samples.

Yeesha's highly likely to be the only case of her particular ethnic background, not to mention any possible specific genetics. Calculating anything by example is clearly not the way to go here.

[Barbarra]

In addition, of course, we don't actually know whether humans, D'ni, and Rivenese are related to begin with.

The nature of linking certainly makes that possible.

[Loshem]

I was always under the impression that the people who went missing during the installation of the fans went to the surface and became our "Adam and Eve" so to speak. Gehn seemed to think Leira was of D'ni descent and when you think about it.. the D'ni cavern in "Ti'ana" was said to be somewhere in Africa.. which is where the oldest known human fossils have been found. The 10,000 year timeframe puts D'ni right around the time man first appeared on Earth as well. (Of course sticking the cavern in New Mexico rather ruins all of this but I still think it was Cyan's original intention.)

[Foo]

QUOTE (Loshem @ Nov 16 2007, 03:35 PM)

I was always under the impression that the people who went missing during the installation of the fans went to the surface and became our "Adam and Eve" so to speak. Gehn seemed to think Leira was of D'ni descent and when you think about it.. the D'ni cavern in "Ti'ana" was said to be somewhere in Africa.. which is where the oldest known human fossils have been found. The 10,000 year timeframe puts D'ni right around the time man first appeared on Earth as well. (Of course sticking the cavern in New Mexico rather ruins all of this but I still think it was Cyan's original intention.)

Well, the generally accepted scientific estimate for humans first arrival is around 250,000 years ago, and if we're saying that the D'ni evolved into humans, that's the one we'd need to take, instead of the biblical estimate of 10,000.

Not to mention the fact there wouldn't have been a woman on the team installing the fans, since women weren't allowed into any guilds whatsoever til around 3300, if I remember rightly, and even then it was only minor guilds.

Despite this, it's safe to say it was Cyan's intention to create a link between this incident and the culture of the Navajo peoples who live in the southern US. They believed their ancestors came from deep underground, lived in caves, and used many of the symbols we've come to associate with Uru... never mind the fact that they called themselves the Diné!


Foo

EDIT: Just looked it up... it was 3500 DE, not 3300. Close enough, though.

This post has been edited by Foo: 16 November 2007 - 04:49 PM

[Barbarra]

Since linking can land someone in the past or future, almost any sort of relationship is possible.

[Baladria]

QUOTE (Foo @ Nov 16 2007, 11:45 AM)

Despite this, it's safe to say it was Cyan's intention to create a link between this incident and the culture of the Navajo peoples who live in the southern US. They believed their ancestors came from deep underground, lived in caves, and used many of the symbols we've come to associate with Uru... never mind the fact that they called themselves the Diné!

You're right! The Navajo were always my favorite Native American culture....this makes them even cooler! Anyone want to take a road trip with me to their reservation? We might find out lots....

[Foo]

QUOTE (Barbarra @ Nov 16 2007, 05:26 PM)

Since linking can land someone in the past or future, almost any sort of relationship is possible.

Yeah, but the time is set by the descriptive book, and no two descriptive books can point to the same age. As a result of that, when traveling through ages, even though you're jumping around in time, your perception of time remains constant. If you visit somewhere for two hours, then come back, two hours will have passed whilst you were gone.

(There may be a few discrepancies due to general relativity, but none which would be noticeable for us humans.)

Of course, then you introduce Yeesha and the crazy time travel stuff into the equation, and throw away any type of logic whatsoever!


Foo